tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post4641715968922240385..comments2023-07-30T21:23:49.509+08:00Comments on Because I say so...: Vengeful InstinctCorneliushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-18986709514996492952009-08-07T15:59:47.377+08:002009-08-07T15:59:47.377+08:00hahah...that will be cruel enough and they will ta...hahah...that will be cruel enough and they will taste the pain even more because of the after-effect....Jimmy Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03472649175864433324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-35167620147237808782009-08-07T13:12:41.758+08:002009-08-07T13:12:41.758+08:00Wow! vineger, huh, Jimmy? Talk about cruelty! HAHA...Wow! vineger, huh, Jimmy? Talk about cruelty! HAHAHA!Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-10180925118435206682009-08-07T10:06:13.151+08:002009-08-07T10:06:13.151+08:00hehehe...didnt know they only dipped in the water....hehehe...didnt know they only dipped in the water.<br /><br />because from what other people told me, it was dipped in the vinegar instead. :)Jimmy Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03472649175864433324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-44998573234050865252009-08-06T22:09:20.672+08:002009-08-06T22:09:20.672+08:00peter,
I was afraid that someone would ask that q...peter,<br /><br />I was afraid that someone would ask that question sooner or later. For I would have to give a "political" response. To do so, I will need to adopt a song and dance approach, so I hope you will bear with me!<br /><br />As a matter of principle, I prefer to treat others the same way how I would expect them to treat me. Therefore, this thing about being cruel by administering the lethal injection, or gas chamber, or torturing the criminal before killing him is against my principle. Essentially, that amounts to bringing myself down to the level of the brutal murderer. <br /><br />It's been said that and eye for an eye will result in everyone getting blind.<br /><br />In the Utopian world, I would agree with the death penalty, but there is little meaning in the cruelty that goes with the punishment.<br /><br />That is one side of the story. The other side is that I am only human; and my heart is filled with so many imperfections. I have hatreds; I have that vengeful instinct; I have anger; I have the innate brutal tendency. When provoked, these negative tendencies can be awaken - sometimes with minor consequences; but sometimes they may grow to colossal force.<br /><br />Anger is like the burning flame. When we fail to control it, we're liable to burn ourselves in the end.<br /><br />The mind is willing, but the flesh is weak. I would love to treat my enemies kindly like how Jesus treated his enemies. But I know I don't have it in me to achieve that. I've said that I am a realistic person; so I know when the victims are my loved ones, my vengeful instinct will reign supreme. As you said, I am after all just human.<br /><br />Well, peter, I told you this is gonna be a "political" response.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-71363802930934087232009-08-06T17:05:21.815+08:002009-08-06T17:05:21.815+08:00Corny,
I am a human, and I supposed that you are ...Corny,<br /><br />I am a human, and I supposed that you are one too. And I believed that most (not all) human would have a vengeful instinct inside of them. What you have written, seems to me, on the neutral side. I can't figure out if you are for or against it.<br /><br />I personally feels that there is nothing wrong, as long as that instinct is within your control, and not the other way round.peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-65534213734215225572009-08-06T15:38:41.831+08:002009-08-06T15:38:41.831+08:00Your 2 lovely cheeks (of your buttocks) bah.The li...Your 2 lovely cheeks (of your buttocks) bah.The live demo at the roadshow showed the prison officers using a dummy with the upper and lower parts of the buttocks covered leaving the 2 cheeks exposed for the caner to aim at.I was even given a chance to try out my caning skills at the demo. Unfortunately I missed both cheeks and "hentam" the upper covered part of the buttocks.That is why a person must be very well-trained in the art of caning before he gets the job. I was told a miss is still counted as a stroke since it is not the prisoner's fault but the caner's fault.If there is another Prison Department's road show on anywhere in the city, I will let you guys know here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-50789370792752994822009-08-06T14:08:13.215+08:002009-08-06T14:08:13.215+08:00Anonymous,
Wow! that sounds so horrible! Perhaps ...Anonymous,<br /><br />Wow! that sounds so horrible! Perhaps I better cancel my plan to rape somebody!... HAHAHA!<br /><br />Peter,<br /><br />That's a good question. I wanted to ask that same question myself! Who knows, maybe if they tied up the convict the wrong way they may then wrongly cane him on a different part of his body, thinking that they're caning him on his buttocks all the time? Well, just one my idiotic ideas, I don't know. Over to you, Anonymous friend!Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-42425771594882765602009-08-06T13:47:22.984+08:002009-08-06T13:47:22.984+08:00To above anonymous,
You mentioned: '..parts t...To above anonymous,<br /><br />You mentioned: '..parts to be caned exposed (usually the buttocks)."<br /><br />Usually the buttocks??? <br />Do they sometimes caned on other parts?? Where??peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-10332126519407279572009-08-06T09:54:33.420+08:002009-08-06T09:54:33.420+08:00Just to share with you all a bit about canning, ho...Just to share with you all a bit about canning, how it is done and its effect on the person being caned.Prisoners who are elderly will escape the caning. However women who are pregnant when convicted will not be caned until they have given birth and their confinement period is over. <br />The cane used in Malaysia is around half an inch in diameter and around 3 feet in length. The caning is carried out by a trained prison staff who underwent years of training under an expert before he is allowed to do the canning. First the person to be caned is medically examined first by a doctor to check whether he is fit to be caned. If certified fit he is then tied to a stockade with the parts to be caned exposed (usually the buttocks).The cane is then dipped in water first before the stroke is administered.Another prison officer will be standing by to keep count of the number of stroke being given.The canning sentence is not carried in one day if the number of canning is high (say 10 strokes or more). The remaining strokes will be carried on another day. I was told that the marks made by the canning is permanent and will always remain on the person's buttocks.So before anyone think of going out and rape somebody, think of the consequence including the pain and stigma of being caned. I learnt all this after watching a roadshow by the Prisons Department last year in Karamunsing Complex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-64659557164483394712009-08-05T18:41:24.395+08:002009-08-05T18:41:24.395+08:00Oops! It seems that some of my readers spend all t...Oops! It seems that some of my readers spend all the time visiting my blog!... hehehe. Just shortly after I posted the above comment (in response to delurk's), I received a text message from a friend to point out a small error.<br /><br />Well, I'm feeling a bit embarrassed right now. Actually, it's 20 years imprisonment and liable to <b>caning</b>, not whipping. I'm not sure which one is more painful. Maybe I should go rape somebody to find out... HAHAHA!Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-3340314655070438322009-08-05T18:20:02.008+08:002009-08-05T18:20:02.008+08:00Yes, delurk, I have heard of that explanation befo...Yes, delurk, I have heard of that explanation before. The nature of the punishment to send a strong message to the would-be criminal. I'm sure there are probably other justifications too. <br /><br />I'm just saying that somewhere in the punishment, there is a reflection of the human vengeful instinct. In some cases the victim's family is allowed to view the execution process from a gallery. That must have something to do with some sort of satisfaction of actually seeing <b>how</b> the criminal dies.<br /><br />And by the way, this thing about sending a strong message to the would-be criminal is also interesting. We would like to believe that the harsh nature of the punishment can be a deterrent to the criminal, but in reality, most criminals when committing the crime are always convinced they can get away with it! <br /><br />Over the years, we have been increasing the severity of the punishment for, say, rape. A maximum of 20 years imprisonment and liable to whipping. And recently, I was given to understand that there is now no longer the 50-year age limit for the whipping. But rape cases appear to continue increasing anyway. <br /><br />The criminal will only regret (if any) and fear the punishment <i>after</i> he is caught; but not <i>before</i>. While in the process of committing the crime (or while planning for it), he probably can't be bothered what the punishment <i>might</i> be. There need not be any punishment if he's not caught, what?<br /><br />So yes, we're trying to instill a bit of fear in the would-be criminal. We're saying, "Look, if you commit the crime, we're going to punish you like this." But to what extent such warning actually works is not really clear.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-22564274995756097082009-08-05T17:29:09.008+08:002009-08-05T17:29:09.008+08:00death sentence is not only to punish the wrong doe...death sentence is not only to punish the wrong doer, it's to send a message (pr/ad tool) to the public not to get on the wrong side of the law.<br /><br />thus the method (and the mental image) of painful death. It's meant to shock or scare would be criminals.<br /><br />imagine a drug trafficking poster, instead of showing a man got hanged, now it's man lying down sleeping to his death!delurknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-67750954970984716212009-08-05T16:13:58.184+08:002009-08-05T16:13:58.184+08:00Mui-mui,
I was merely pointing out the vengeful n...Mui-mui,<br /><br />I was merely pointing out the vengeful nature of the punishment. I did not say that I disagree with it! I can just imagine that if my loved one is murdered by someone, I would probably want that someone to suffer too. Hence our vengeful instinct. We are psychologically "happier" if the murderer dies a painful death eventhough we know that that won't bring our loved ones back to life.Corneliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049388322332876859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8760307254603261893.post-80419848217622209822009-08-05T12:16:00.252+08:002009-08-05T12:16:00.252+08:00I think u only think of the criminal's side. H...I think u only think of the criminal's side. Have u ever think of the victim? The victim also dont deserve what was done to them, isnt it???Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08868931182016284702noreply@blogger.com